Disappointing

topic posted Thu, October 29, 2009 - 8:12 PM by  Mickey
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Among the Apple dashboard widgets, in the "top downloads" category, is an astrology applet.












Sigh.
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Mickey
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  • Re: Disappointing

    Thu, October 29, 2009 - 9:11 PM
    I don't know - The cult of Mac going for another cult..............
    • Re: Disappointing

      Thu, October 29, 2009 - 9:24 PM
      One is at least somewhat useful.
      • Re: Disappointing

        Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:15 AM
        The computers may be useful (I have an old Mac) but the cult of Mac isn't at all. In fact, it's allowed Apple to release crappier and crappier products with little real criticism and pushed more affordable (and less gratuitously polluting) equivalents to ipods out of the market. Apple isn't socially conscious, it's yet another way for the socially self-conscious to feed their narcissism and live in an advertisement rather than the real world. It's amazing how it sucks in every single kind of narcissist, including people who consider themselves "radical" and "anti-capitalist" (but, hey, I've found many of these people who promote themselves this way are extremely narcissistic too...the marketing of "radical" and "anti-capitalism" has made it a hollow stance...it makes me sad that some of my friends have contributed to making "anarchy" into a branded product).
        • Re: Disappointing

          Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:32 AM
          Well said. I may have to plagiarize you in the Mac OS X tribe.
          • Re: Disappointing

            Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:18 AM
            Feel free to spread the rant! ;-) ipod, imac...it's all about me, me, me and my bubble that preserves my fragile social identity and social status. Hmmm, maybe I should deconstruct Apple's advertising... Might be a constructive thing to do with my annoyance at the me-me-me meme ;-)
        • Re: Disappointing

          Sat, October 31, 2009 - 6:17 AM
          Fifi - you forgot one of the most irritating things about Macs - digital signatures.

          Unless Apple pre-approves the software a Mac will simply refuse to run it. If you have the knowledge and gumption to crack yoyr Mac to run other software Apple will sue you.

          Interesting stance from a man (Jobs) who still rests on his reputation as one of the early radicals of Silicon Valley.
          • Re: Disappointing

            Sat, October 31, 2009 - 6:57 AM
            Joe - Yep, they're also not open to collaboration with artists...even thought their whole reputation comes from the fact that they used to be used by a lot of artists (now non-commercial artists tend to use PCs because they need flexible tools like Max and need to be able to program). Graphic designers (aka people who usually work in some form of advertising and are all about surface over substance) and people who want to look like artists tend to buy Macs these days, not actual artists. Musicians I know who use Macs tend to try to obscure their identity somewhat (since Apple makes sure all their products are big branded advertisements).

            Apples doesn't like sharing - they're as crap and controlling as Microsoft - certainly no less evil (and more evil than some computer makers). They're also incredibly ungenerous with sponsorship of art and music events, even though they spend such excessive amounts on advertising.

            Jobs is a bit of a wackjob hypocrite from what I can tell. Until convinced otherwise, he refused convention treatment for a very operable cancer in favor of woo. (I've also heard that he called Apple Apple because he was into raw food, but that may not be true.) Jobs is clearly good at myth building, and most of his "radicalness" seems to be of the mythical and not real variety. If he was really "radical" he'd have made Apple a green company instead of creating superpolluting disposable gadgets with short life spans. Early Macs were pretty good - if you made sure not to buy the latest, just released model - but quality has been steadily declining.

            I started out on PC and then moved to Mac. I kinda wish I'd stuck with PCs since I'd actually know a lot more about hands-on programming if I had. When I need (can afford) a new computer I'll be seriously considering a PC instead of a Mac for a variety of reasons - one of them being to step back from the sheeple! (Besides, PCs come in all kinds of pretty colours these days and are often more attractive than Macs.)

            These days I'm just watching my friends be used by their iphones. It's the ultimate tool for the narcissistic and overly self involved (which his normal in a teenager but dysfunctional in adults who shouldn't need constant outside affirmation they exist). It's quite amazing how many people can't simply be present in the moment in the slightest...but that's what happens when you think you can purchase authenticity or that owning a certain object defines your identity as being "radical" or "creative"......*sigh* I love the potential of technology and enjoy the tools we have but I'm finding that most people are being used by large corporations and the technology they think defines their identity, rather than using technology as a tool for their own ends and for authentic self expression.
      • Re: Disappointing

        Sat, October 31, 2009 - 6:11 AM
        Astrology and Macs have at least two things in common - They give one a false sense of security and they cost far more than they should.
        • Re: Disappointing

          Sat, October 31, 2009 - 6:30 AM
          And one other thing the cult of Mac is doing:


          www.maximumpc.com/article/n...dvertising

          Apple Files Patent for OS Embedded Advertising

          Steve Jobs has submitted one of the most devious patents of all time: operating system advertising. That’s right, according to the patent, Jobs wants you looking at ads embedded right into your operating system.

          To take it one-step further, the patent attorneys who filed the application did their due diligence making sure every aspect and use of the "innovation" was outlined in detail. This passage sheds a little light on just how invasive and annoying this could be:

          “The operating system is configured to present one or more of the advertisements to users of the computer device. In some implementations, the operating system can disable one or more functions during the presentation of the advertisements and then enable the function(s) in response to the advertisements ending. That is, the operating system can disable some aspect of its operation to prompt the operator to pay attention to the advertisement.”

          Not only are they going to put ads in front of your face, they are going to do everything in their power to make you pay attention to them. This basically says they would go as far as crippling the device while the ad is displaying. Further, in the application they talk about measures to verify user presence, such as user confirmations throughout the ad.

          The application makes careful notation not to distinguish its platform so that this technology could be used on any device, i.e. “portable and desktop computers, servers, electronics, media players, game devices, mobile phones, wireless devices, email devices, personal digital assistants (PDAs), embedded devices, televisions, set top boxes, etc” per the filing.

          Would Apple be foolish enough to implement this?
          • Re: Disappointing

            Sat, October 31, 2009 - 7:08 AM
            Joe - No doubt many of their customers would lap it up if it was sold to them the right way....you know, convince them they're "early adopters" ;-)
            • Re: Disappointing

              Sat, October 31, 2009 - 10:06 AM
              > Jobs is a bit of a wackjob hypocrite from what I can tell.

              What do you expect, Fifi? He's a Pisces.
              • Re: Disappointing

                Sat, October 31, 2009 - 10:16 AM
                Here's the resulting thread in the Mac OSX tribe.

                (Self disclosure: I am a die-hard Mac User.)

                :-)
                • Re: Disappointing

                  Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:29 PM
                  Mickey - I know a very good de-programmer.
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                    Re: Disappointing

                    Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:38 PM
                    No thanks. I've worked professionally on both machines, and I will only ever own Macs in my own home. :-)
                    • Re: Disappointing

                      Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:38 PM
                      And they're worth every penny.
                      • Re: Disappointing

                        Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:46 PM
                        As if we needed more proof:

                        www.theinternetpatrol.com/neuro...r-all/

                        A neurological study of what triggers people to buy, using FMRI (Functional MRI), has found that people who are devout Apple fans manifest exactly the same neurological responses to exposure to their “god” as do devout Christians.

                        According to Martin Lindstrom, author of Buyology: Truth and Lies About Why We Buy, “It turned out that brand iconography activated the same region in the brains of fans that was activated in the brains of Christians when they were exposed to faith-related triggers.”

                        Lindstrom talks in his book about Mark, an Apple fan who flew all the way from California to Sydney, Australia (a 17 hour flight), and who then stood in line for 48 hours, to attend the opening of an Apple store. His payoff? A t-shirt.

                        Apple, says Lindstrom - intentionally or otherwise - has followed the same formula for building a strong following as do the major world religions, each of which share most or all of the following: a clear vision, a sense of belonging, an enemy, sensory appeal, story telling, grandeur, evangelism, symbols, and rituals.

                        Take symbols, for example. While most brands’ products cannot be recognized without their logos, points out Lindstrom, “Examine an iPod, and you’ll have problems finding the Apple logo. Yet its design is so in tune with the brand’s identity and so unambiguously original that you know an iPod when you see and feel it.”

                        In fact, Apple surely has nearly all of these elements. And so, like the major world religions, the following builds as acolytes (or, in this case, Applelytes) evangelize. “Word-of-mouth is powerful, trusted and cheap,” says Lindstrom.

                        So, the next time you are talking with someone who gets a rapt look on their face, while your eyes glaze over, as they extoll the virtues of their latest Apple product, rather than meeting them with derision, consider that they may need an intervention.
                        • Re: Disappointing

                          Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:53 PM
                          LOL! I'm not in love with the company. I like not having the headaches all the pc users seem to experience.
                          • Re: Disappointing

                            Sat, October 31, 2009 - 1:19 PM
                            it doesn't surprise me. they're a company. lots of their customers like astrology. they're going to cater to their customers that like astrology.
                          • Re: Disappointing

                            Sat, October 31, 2009 - 1:47 PM
                            >I like not having the headaches all the pc users seem to experience. <

                            This is another case of perception vs reality.

                            Not all PC users have problems. I have used every flavor of Windows you can think of and I for one have never seen the legendary 'Blue Screen Of Death" on one of my machines.

                            Not to say I don't know people who have had problems but most of that comes down to simple common sense. If you own a car you are going to change the oil and rotate the tires. When I owned British sports cars there was more maintenance than now that I own a basic American car.

                            I also like to tinker. I go back to the days when a memory upgrade meant breaking out the soldering iron. In fact I have actually had hands on an Altair.(A friend in High School built one from a kit)

                            I like to get inside and change things around. I want to try new graphics cards. I want to change my sound card. I want to be able to build from the ground up the system I want.

                            Steve Jobs doesn't want me to be able to do that. He wants to spoon feed me what he says I need.

                            I have also been at Mac World - I was working - and seen first hand the cult like behavior of Mac addicts. They were one of the scariest groups I have ever encountered and this was in San Francisco where there is no shortage of scary cults.

                            At the first Mac World I worked the big announcement that year was different colors for the iMac. You would have thought Jobs just delivered the Sermon on the Mount.

                            On another note - I had not known that Jobs went for woo treatments when he was first diagnosed with cancer. This does anger me about his liver transplant. I knew he had gamed the system to get to the top of the list for a new liver but now to find that he may have only needed that liver because he allowed his first cancer to go untreated long enough to metastasize.....

                            Just goes to show what a self serving prick he truly is. And what a hypocrite.
                            • Re: Disappointing

                              Sat, October 31, 2009 - 2:07 PM
                              I have to disagree with you, Joe. My pc friends are asking me for "fix it" advice on their pcs all the time. Doesn't happen with my mac friends.
                          • Re: Disappointing

                            Sat, October 31, 2009 - 2:17 PM
                            Mickey - I've been on a Mac for a little over 10 years, however I'm seriously considering going PC for my next computer for a number of reasons. One being the decline in quality. I know plenty of people who've had problems with Apple products and plenty of people who use PCs and don't seem to have any problems. The people who seem to have the most problems with PCs are naive users, and certainly Macs are more of a plug and play product. There are some great things about Macs but there are some areas where PCs offer an advantage, it has to do with one's needs. If one works as a graphic designer, Macs are more generally used. One key thing that I find problematic - and cult-like - is that Åpple almost always refuses to acknowledge any issues with their products (and goes so far as to make people sign gag orders to make sure they don't talk about problems they've had that are clearly the company's responsibility). Besides, I like the PC guy in the Mac commercials more than the pseudo-hipster Mac guy ;-)
                            • Re: Disappointing

                              Sat, October 31, 2009 - 5:46 PM
                              Interesting. There are some very good reasons to use a pc over a Mac, but those generally involve some version of linux, and are generally reasons that the truly tech-savvy can state.

                              In the 23 years I've been using macs, both times (yes, two) I had to call in some help, Apple was very friendly and totally solved my issue.
                              • Re: Disappointing

                                Sun, November 1, 2009 - 5:16 AM
                                I guess I know a lot of tech savvy people :-) Some of the people I know are artists (artists and creative people who use computers in their work have been moving over to PCs for years, though not surprisingly graphic designers have stuck with Macs and that's where Mac first got their reputation for being "arty"...from people who work in advertising). Others do programming or are into open source, and others work on websites and need to be working on PCs, but certainly not all of the people I know who are happy with their PCs are tech-savvy.

                                I can't say I've been super impressed by Apple's service over the years (I found myself an independent Mac fixit guy who isn't indoctrinated in the cult of Mac, though he is into a lot of flaky new age stuff). And I have experienced the "blue screen of death" on my Mac (the hard drive died). Plus it seems very common for bit and pieces to start failing once the AppleCare wears off (almost immediately after sometimes). That said, because I know Apple is less than transparent about their products and made sure not to buy the newest model, I've been pretty happy with the one I bought (apart from the fact that the "titanium" paint started peeling off the week I bought it and having to replace the drive) However, it's getting to be time for a new computer so I'm definitely considering going back to PC. I never had any huge problems with a PC but that was years ago. Like I said, I'm weighing the pros and cons of each (though I do find Mac users tend to be much less critical users and many bought them for fashion/identity reasons, however it would be equally stupid to buy a PC just to be reactionary against Apple).

                                Sounds like you've had very good luck with your computers Mickey and Mac's do have the advantage of being less common so not targeted by spammers and hackers in the way PCs are). How often do you replace your computer?

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